Discussion Time: Tropes in YA Fiction

Everyone has tropes they love seeing in books, and everyone has tropes they hate seeing in books. However whether you love them or hate them you see them everywhere, especially it seems in YA fiction (although this could be something I notice more in YA books because I read more YA books).

Now don’t get me wrong they’re tropes for a reason, and they’re in so many books because they work to help move a story along. But when you’re looking at the books you own that rely on tropes to tell a story doesn’t it get a bit tired essentially reading the same story over and over again, just with different names?

Tropes in YA Fiction

Tropes in YA Fiction.

When it comes to tropes in books the one I usually hate reading more than any other are love triangles, and I’m sure I’m not the only one who feels that way. Granted there are exceptions to this rule. Sarah J Maas is one such exception and despite the fact that both her series contain love triangles, of a sort, they are two of my favourite series, simply because of how they’re written. Celaena and Feyre aren’t stuck trying to choose between two guys like Bella was in Twilight. Instead as their development moves them forwards, and the events that happen in the books change them, they realise they no longer fit with whoever they were previously in love with.

A Court of Thorns and Roses Series

I used to skip past every book that had a love triangle in, the second I saw even a hint of one reference in the blurb I’d put the book down and move onto something else, and while I don’t do that anymore I do find more evidence of books where love triangles are simply used to add tension into the plot rather than for a valid reason.

Romance tropes seem to be what I see most in YA fiction. Alongside the love triangle trope there’s insta-love, but should this really be called a trope or is it evidence of where there hasn’t been enough development of their characters and their relationship for their feelings to feel real to us as readers.


Another trope that I’ve recently started getting tired of seeing is the ‘Chosen One’ trope. This worked well in Harry Potter yes, but now I find myself wishing there were less characters chosen because of a prophecy, or a vision, or because something about them makes them so much more special than all the other characters out there. Instead I want to see more characters like Paige from The Bone Season series, Penryn from Penryn and the End of Days, Bailey from The Night Circus. Characters who just happened to be in the right place (or the wrong on depending on how you look at the situation) at the right time and had no choice but to step into the role of hero.

The Night Circus

“You are not destined or chosen. I wish I could tell you that you were if that would make it easier, but it is not true. You are in the right place, at the right time, and you care enough to do what needs to be done. Sometimes that is enough.”

This could just be my reading tastes changing as I grow older, and as much as I sometimes hate certain tropes without them we wouldn’t have the books that turn clichΓ©s on their heads to create new, fresh stories. There’s a reason The Love Interest is currently at the top of my most-anticipated releases list despite it containing a love triangle.


Now Onto the Discussion Part of This Post:

Have you read many YA books that rely on tropes to carry the story forwards? Do you think tropes are something you see more in YA than any other genre?

What are your opinions on the love triangle and ‘Chosen One’ tropes? Are there any other tropes you either can’t stand or love to read?

Are there any books you can recommend that turn classic tropes/clichΓ©s on their heads?

Let me know in the comments below.

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63 thoughts on “Discussion Time: Tropes in YA Fiction

  1. I think for me insta-love is the real killer, even more so than love triangles. With love triangles, I generally like them in manga but not so much in books… potentially because I get to see the expressions of the characters more and thus end up feeling more for the characters? Admittedly, I do like the idea of a “second love” – like what you said about SJM’s books, where the characters developed and realised they’re no longer suitable for their previous love interest(s). I don’t like it when characters waffle back and forth between multiple love interests, though. :/

    RE: Chosen One – this one I’m ambivalent about. I actually really like it in theory, but I feel like it’s really quite overdone. There are just so many books with the trope that it no longer feels fresh, but really recycled. 😦

    Love this discussion, Beth!

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    1. I think I remember you talking about insta-love in a review once. I get what you mean because love triangles can be well-developed and well-written but it’s rare to find an insta-love relationship that’s the same you know? I suppose that would be a better way to get the development across in manga opposed to in general YA books, does it make it easier to tell who the main character will end up with in manga?
      Ohh, second love is a good way to describe it, I’ve just been calling them ‘love triangles but not’ in my head! I agree I like seeing that in books.
      I used to enjoy the Chosen One trope but I’ve just seen it so many times and written in so many different ways it gets to the point where I see another story with it and I’m just like ‘again?!’
      Thanks so much Reg! πŸ™‚ ❀

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  2. Great discussion like always, Beth β™₯

    Whether or not I enjoy tropes depends on the way the book is written. I think it’s impossible to avoid tropes when writing, they exist for a reason – some are just worse than others. If a writer can make a trope really unique and stand out then I’m usually super impressed by it. There are some tropes that I’m weak for regardless though like misfit characters ect. haha

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    1. Thanks so much Lauren! πŸ™‚ ❀
      Yeah I think that's how I feel about love triangles. I used to hate them but now whether I enjoy them in a book or not really depends on how well they've been written. I agree it's impossible to avoid them completely, and I wouldn't want to because there are some tropes I love, I just feel like I enjoy books more when they move away from tropes a little you know? Make something unique from a tired cliche almost. πŸ™‚

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  3. Love the examples you give for each trope. While I don’t read many YA books (extremely picky, I am), I see tropes appear FAR MORE often in them. It also doesn’t help when you start seeing those trope appear in movie adaptations of those very YA series. It’s a good thing that there are authors who are good at using those tropes at their advantage though. Hopefully we will always run into those kind of books/authors! Great topic for discussion, Beth! πŸ˜€

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    1. Thanks so much Lashaan. Ahh I pretty much only read YA so I see them a lot in books, and then see them again in the film adaptations, when I watch them that is. There are a few authors who do that but I feel like it’s almost few and far between, and for every book with a love triangle I enjoy reading there are always two/three more that I don’t.
      I hope so too, and thanks again Lashaan! πŸ™‚

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  4. I love this discussion so much, Beth! Especially because we were just talking about the chosen one trope in terms of TBS and how Paige is definitely someone who happened to choose for herself rather than being chosen. We definitely need more characters like that! And the quote you included from The Night Circus just made me want to read it even more. I love that it has a character that isn’t the chosen one. 😁
    Weirdly enough, on the topic of tropes, when I took my Humanities class with each time period we covered we got into the literature of that time and talked about tropes. Things like the chosen one, the knight saving the princess, the hero, the villain, and even insta love (e.g. Romeo and Juliet) are all ideas that have been passed down for hundreds if not thousands of years through so many stories. I think rather than just being YA-centric they’re story-centric. Which I found beautiful in a way since it’s incredible how ideas can transcend time like that through stories. But every time we had a discussion in my class I would talk about how we could make that trope fit modern society. Like with the knight saving the pricess and it being outdated because we live in a world full of incredible women who can most certainly save themselves and that is what should be showcased in books more. Anyway! I’m going off on a tangent here πŸ˜‚. BUT I’m thinking we see it more in YA because we mostly read YA. I do think tropes are big in other areas too, especially fantasy from the older adult ones I read in the past.
    So, you know I completely agree with you when it comes to the chosen one trope as well the love triangle trope. And I think you completely hit the nail on the head by saying “Instead as their development moves them forwards, and the events that happen in the books change them, they realise they no longer fit with whoever they were previously in love with.” That is exactly the type of love triangles that work for me! Ones that aren’t really love triangles but rather the character changing. Another good example is Juliette from Shatter Me.
    A great series that puts a spin on the love triangle trope that I’ve read (besides The Infernal Devices) is Shade by Jeri Smith-Ready. I think you would enjoy it. It’s a paranormal fantasy. 😊

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    1. Thanks so much Melissa, and yeah it was our conversation the other day that kind of inspired me to add that section into this discussion. I love how Paige’s character and her story was written and that’s the kind of thing I like seeing in YA books, rather than just someone who has no choice because of a prophecy or something like that. Oh yes that’s one of my favourite quotes, and it definitely fit so I just had to include it! πŸ˜€
      Oh wow that is interesting, and yeah I guess accurate as well because if you think back to the oldest stories you know there are a few tropes you can pick out and I guess in the end that’s what tropes are. Original stories that are just retold with new characters and a new plot. I agree with you that is kind of beautiful. I guess we need updated tropes in a way. The whole ‘knight saving the damsel in distress’ one is one we see less because of the reasons you mentioned so maybe in a few year there’ll be other tropes that go the same way.
      I pretty much only read YA so I guess that’s only where I see it. πŸ™‚
      Yes Reg called that kind of love triangle second love in a comment she left which is what I think I was describing just without calling it that, and it’s more concise than what I was calling it which was ‘love triangles but not’. Yes the whole Juliette/Adam/Warner triangle is another I enjoyed reading, she wasn’t moving back and forth between the two but as she grew as a character so did her feelings for Warner, and that’s what I like reading.
      Ohh, in that case I’ll try and check it out. Thanks for the recommendation Melissa! πŸ˜€ ❀

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      1. You’re welcome, Beth!! πŸ’• I love how Paige and her story were written too. I feel like having a character who choose for themselves also makes thinks a bit more unpredictable because with having no choice or a prophecy certain things can become really obvious early on whereas The Bone Season keeps surprising me for sure.
        Definitely, tropes really are just ideas from older stories being retold in a million different ways. But, yeah, I think updating them is the key to making sure that not only do they fit modern society but that they don’t become something we get tired of seeing because it’s the same old same old. Or even creating new ones like the stories we’re starting to see that don’t have a chosen one and also that completely dismantle the idea of the damsel in distress. 😊
        I mostly only read YA too but the few that I’ve read outside of YA have definitely had their share of tropes that we often see too.
        YES! Second love is the perfect name for it, I hadn’t even thought of that. It is kind of better than calling it a love triangle but not. Exactly! I remember a lot people being mad over the whole triangle but it made so much sense for Juliette’s character.
        No problem! If you do end up checking it out and reading it one day I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. 😁

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      2. Exactly, and normally with prophecies you can find that they tell you how the story will end as well. The prophecy will have some obscure reference to whether a hero will succeed or fail, but that’s not the case with Paige and I love the sense of the unknown in a way. Definitely unpredictable but I feel that could perfectly describe Samantha Shannon’s writing in general. πŸ˜€
        You can probably still get away with writing old tropes that are out of date but the key would be to give them a new twist, make them unique, and I think that’s the case with any trope really. However that seems to be something we don’t see anymore; people write tropes but don’t make them unique so it can feel like we’re reading the same story over and over again. Actually creating new tropes would be interesting to see done! πŸ™‚
        I guess there are some tropes, maybe like love triangles, you do see in all genres. I hadn’t thought of it either but it fits the idea better than love triangle because that’s what it is exactly. It did make sense; Adam fell in love with a girl who needed saving and by the end that wasn’t Juliette at all. The two just didn’t fit anymore.
        I hope so too, again thanks Melissa! πŸ™‚ ❀

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      3. Yes! That does happen a lot with books that have prophecies. I know when I was younger I read this series where each one started with a prophecies and half-way through the series I would always have figured out most of the ending. Which was fun at the time but now I prefer the unknown, makes for a better reading experience. But, yeah, Samantha Shannon’s writing in general is definitely unpredictable. You never know what she’s going to do next with the characters.
        True, taking old tropes and putting a new twist on them would be great too. But, yeah, I’ve noticed too that most older tropes aren’t being given any unique aspects nowadays. I mean we get a few books that do here and there but for the most part when it’s trope heavy it can feel like the same old same old. Which is hopefully something that starts to change.
        Definitely. I feel like tropes are the inevitability of reading because a lot of writers are readers and I think tend to write some things based on what they’ve loved seeing in books. Not a trope but it’s kind of like during the vampire craze where so many vampire books were published πŸ˜‚. And exactly! I love how Tahereh made it a point to show Adam falling for someone who needed saving to show that the two didn’t work out because Juliette grew to be someone who could save herself and that wasn’t compatible with Adam needing someone he can save.
        No problem!! 😁β™₯

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      4. Exactly because it gives you huge clues as to what will happen with the whole storyline. It may be in fancy talk so it’s hard to decipher but once you do it can sometimes be a step by step guide for the plot of the series/book. I definitely prefer the unknown. I love being surprised by books and part of the fun for me is all the twist and turns that come in the plot, prophecies tend to change that in their own way. Samantha Shannon is like the queen of plot twists, so is V.E. Schwab for that matter! πŸ˜€
        I think that’s the thing with tropes, for them to work in books and to actually feel unique they need to have some fresh take on them. If they don’t then they’re just going to feel like reading the same story over and over again which is going to get very boring very quickly. There are only so many times you can read the same love triangle over and over.
        Ahh, I remember the crazy vampire craze, that was around when Twilight was released and everyone rushed to jump on the bandwagon Stephanie Meyer created. I guess to a lesser noticeable extent it’s the same with tropes. If love triangles are what everyone’s reading it’s going to be what everyone’s writing. Yeah the whole Juliette and Adam Vs Warner thing was really well written, both were really different characters so in the end it was who suited Juliette more.

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      5. Yep and once you have that step by step guide due it can sometimes make the reading boring since you’re pretty sure you know what’s going to happen. There’s no gasp worthy moment of surprise. And I love books that are full of surprises and twists too. Samantha Shannon and V.E. Schwab are definitely both queens of plot twists. I’ve had so many jaw drop moments while reading their books! 😊
        Exactly! With tropes there definitely has to be something unique about them each time they’re used, something to keep them fresh, or it can end up becoming very boring.
        Yeah, I remember library shelves full of vampire books and everyone carrying either Twilight or some other vampire book. It was a fun time but definitely wore out the whole vampire thing for me. But, yeah, tropes are slightly similar in a way.

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      6. It almost becomes a game, what plot points are foretold by the prophecy and how better would it have bee if there hadn’t been a prophecy at all. It’s worse when they predict character deaths because it takes some of the punch away from it. Surprises are what make books extra special for me in some occasions, if an author can surprise you with an epic twist you don’t see coming it’s a sign of great story telling.
        I think we need more unique tropes, instead of seeing the same ones over and over again.
        I know I mentioned this to you earlier but do you remember seeing a book about vampires released in the last year or so? It seems like we had loads of that genre and then it’s kind of dried up a little. Guess it would be nice if that happened to a few overused tropes as well! πŸ™‚

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      7. Exactly! And character deaths being foretold are the worst. I really don’t like when that happens. Though on the subject of prophecies I do think that Jennifer L. Armentrout does fantastic with prophecies in her Greek mythology fantasies because she always throws giant plot twists in last second. She kind of makes you think you know what will happen and then nope you don’t know. πŸ˜‚
        Same, if an author can completely surprise me with some giant twist then I end up loving the book even more. 😊
        We definitely do. And I haven’t. It’s been a long while since I last saw a vampire book released, a few years now. Though I’m not paying much attention so I could have missed one. It would be nice if that happened to a few overused tropes. Just kind of push them to the side and use some different ones. πŸ˜‚

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      8. Oh I know what you mean. I’ve read books where there have been prophecies done really well because of the twists you never see coming, but that’s rare and I think you have to know your story really well to make it happen. For the most part when there have been prophecies the story has normally followed that path, no twists to be found. :/
        Well it’s not something I’m paying attention to either but I haven’t noticed one in years and I feel like if two or more had been released I would have noticed you know?
        We need more variety when it comes to tropes that’s for sure. πŸ™‚

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  5. I love this discussion so much, Beth! Especially because we were just talking about the chosen one trope in terms of TBS and how Paige is definitely someone who happened to choose for herself rather than being chosen. We definitely need more characters like that! And the quote you included from The Night Circus just made me want to read it even more. I love that it has a character that isn’t the chosen one. 😁
    Weirdly enough, on the topic of tropes, when I took my Humanities class with each time period we covered we got into the literature of that time and talked about tropes. Things like the chosen one, the knight saving the princess, the hero, the villain, and even insta love (e.g. Romeo and Juliet) are all ideas that have been passed down for hundreds if not thousands of years through so many stories. I think rather than just being YA-centric they’re story-centric. Which I found beautiful in a way since it’s incredible how ideas can transcend time like that through stories. But every time we had a discussion in my class I would talk about how we could make that trope fit modern society. Like with the knight saving the pricess and it being outdated because we live in a world full of incredible women who can most certainly save themselves and that is what should be showcased in books more. Anyway! I’m going off on a tangent here πŸ˜‚. BUT I’m thinking we see it more in YA because we mostly read YA. I do think tropes are big in other areas too, especially fantasy from the older adult ones I’ve read in the past.
    So, you know, I completely agree with you when it comes to the chosen one trope as well the love triangle trope. And I think you completely hit the nail on the head by saying “Instead as their development moves them forwards, and the events that happen in the books change them, they realise they no longer fit with whoever they were previously in love with.” That is exactly the type of love triangles that work for me! Ones that aren’t really love triangles but rather the character changing. Another good example is Juliette from Shatter Me.
    A great series that puts a spin on the love triangle trope that I’ve read (besides The Infernal Devices) is Shade by Jeri Smith-Ready. I think you would enjoy it. It’s a paranormal fantasy. 😊

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  6. I read quite a wide variety of genres and not that much YA, so I feel like I don’t notice tropes all that much. I think they become more obvious if you read a lot of books within the same genre. I’ve definitely seen a lot of chose ones, but they never bother me, cause I think prophecies are fun. 😝

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    1. Well that’s definitely a plus. Different genres will likely have different tropes and if you read a mix you won’t notice them as much.
      I think that’s the case for me because I pretty much only read YA books currently. πŸ™‚
      That’s good to hear, I hope you continue to enjoy them then! πŸ˜€

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  7. Love this post, Beth! Love triangles are definitely a commonly-hated trope! I’m not a fan of it either, but at the same time there are books that work with the trope really well, which is a relief amidst all the books that use it simply to create tension without a true purpose, as you mentioned. And insta-love… I think to some extent it’s a trope?? But at the same time I totally agree with you on the lack of development! It’s just so hard for me, as a reader, to truly be invested in a romance if the characters are pronouncing their love after only a few interactions together, LOL. It even sounds ridiculous… or is that just me? Haha. And chosen ones, ahhh I think their time has passed, honestly? HP is forever a favourite, but I definitely prefer characters who choose to step into the role of a hero, rather than being a sort of special snowflake who’s fulfilling their destiny or whatnot. I definitely think there are exceptions to every trope, though! Awesome discussion!!

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    1. Thanks so much Analee. Yeah I used to be one of the people who hated love triangles but I think as long as they’re well written I don’t mind them as much as I did back then. πŸ™‚ Unfortunately I tend to find more that aren’t well written.
      Insta-love is kind of in a grey area for me. I agree it can be called a trope but for the most part I find it’s just where there’s poor development between the main characters so we don’t really see the beginning feelings grow between them.
      Yeah it’s not just you, that’s ridiculous. If you only met someone three or so days ago you can’t really be saying ‘I love you’ already! πŸ™‚
      You can’t really beat HP in my opinion when it comes to Chosen Ones, and yeah it works in a few books but now is the time of characters stepping into the role of hero rather than being forced into it. Special snowflake characters I hate, I really really do not like them because it seems too much you know?
      Thanks so much Analee! πŸ™‚ ❀

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    1. Yeah, I feel love triangles seem to be kind of hit and miss in books. Whether I enjoy them or not really depends on how well they’re written, and unfortunately I’ve come across more that aren’t written well than I have ones that are.
      Thanks so much! πŸ™‚

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  8. AH YES Fantastic post, Beth! Also, 100% agree on you saying that insta-love just points out the lack of development in a relationship.
    I guess there are tropes in every genre, really, because I read mostly YA I guess I’m bound to notice them even more now as books tend to repeat themselves in some tropes and patterns and themes. I don’t really enjoy the love triangle trope, I think that it’s not really supposed to be there since there is always someone you love more and the triangle isn’t supposed to exist, but that’s my point of view and I can understand characters’ confusion with their own feelings and everything haha.
    I think my favorite trope to read about is the best friends to lovers one. It’s my ultimate favorite ever ❀

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    1. Thanks so much Marie, and yeah in that frame of mind I don’t think insta-love can necessarily be defined as a trope more like a lack of development where needed.
      Oh I agree, and the tropes in every genre can be so different as well. I see a lot of the same ones in YA books but I guess there’d be different ones in Adult books because they’re targeting a different audience. Love triangles are the one trope I hate above any other, and actually I agree with what you’re saying because you should always feel for one person more than another, no matter what. I guess that’s kind of why I enjoy Sarah J. Maas’ books because that’s what they’re like.
      Ohh best friends to lovers is one of my favourites as well. I think that’s a trope I’ll never get tired of! πŸ˜€

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  9. The insta-love usually has me rolling my eyes if I’m in a good mood, or throwing the book if it’s a bad day! Also, I dread love triangles as they too often are simplistic and useless to the character development. Maas killed my ship, so … :p

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    1. Sometimes I think insta-love can be well written, and then I don’t mind it as much, but that’s kind of rare. Most times how you feel about insta-love is how I feel about love triangles! πŸ™‚
      Oh what ship did you have before Maas killed it then? Was it Celaena/Dorian, I feel that seems to be the one most people had before Rowan was introduced. πŸ™‚

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  10. UGH “CHOSEN ONE” IRRITATES ME SO MUCH. Very few books do it well; I think one of them is Carry On by Rainbow Rowell (probably because she totally turned the trope on its head). Special Snowflake Heroine (ex. Mare from Red Queen) and Wise Old Mentor Who Conveniently Dies (ex. Brom from Eragon) are two of my other least favorites. I’m secret trash for love triangles, though – as long as they’re not predictable. πŸ™‚

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    1. Yeah to be honest it’s become a trope that starts to annoy me so much as well. That’s the other thing I LOVE books that turn tropes on their head, and Carry On is a perfect example of that. There needs to be more in my opinion.
      Oh the Special Snowflake Heroine really annoys me as well. I kind of associate that with the Chosen One trope most times though. The Wise Old Mentor Who Conveniently Dies is one I haven’t seen much of I don’t think but the whole ‘death for the sake of developing the main character’ is something that does need to stop in my opinion!
      I’ve started enjoying love triangles as little more, but yeah they have to be well written, which not many seem to be I don’t think! πŸ™‚

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  11. Love triangles stress me out, which is totally ridiculous. And the heroine usually picks the boy that I don’t like (ahem, Hunger Games).

    I feel tropes are tropes for a reason — they work really well in their particular genre. BUT they get so overdone so quickly! I get turned off of love triangles and ‘the Chosen One’ and will put a book aside in a shop if I see those tropes. Insta-love, as someone mentioned above, is an INSTANT turn off. Finally, it’s not a trope so much as a setting, but dystopia is getting really old for me. I think it’s great to ride a trend, but sometimes departing from the crowd can be a great thing!

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    1. Yeah I’ve never really got into the whole Team One Boy/Team Other Boy thing. Though I do enjoy trying to guess which one the heroine will end up picking. πŸ˜€
      Yeah I see a fair few fantasy books with Chosen One tropes but after a while you want something different and instead it seems the market is oversaturated with that one trope. It’s why I love books that turn tropes on their heads.
      I don’t usually leave books that have either of those tropes in them but I know I won’t enjoy them as much as I would if try didn’t have them in you know? But I guess if you know you won’t enjoy them then there’s no point picking them up is there.
      I felt that way about dystopia books for so long, I feel like I slowly coming around on the genre again but I feel it’s one a lot of people can feel that way about. πŸ™‚

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  12. Love triangles usually irk me. But I did love how it was written in the Iron Fey series by Julie Kagawa. I think it depends on the skills of the writer. Sometimes love triangles can add that bit of fun angst, depending on how it is portrayed.

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    1. Oh I haven’t read the Iron Fey series yet, but I do agree how well love triangles work does depend on how well the writer develops the throughout the story. Sarah J Maas is one of the authors who, for me, writes really good love triangles, but more often than not I read really bad ones that just put me off the trope even more!

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  13. Great post Beth!! Like you, there are times where I can deal with tropes. Other times I feel like if the blurb states all these cliche tropes, I’ll skip the book altogether. Sometimes I feel like a trope can either make or break a book. Like you said, a certain trope will be there to stir the plot instead of being there for a valid reason. Or maybe its there to give us more anticipation for a plot twist. Sometimes it works and other times it doesn’t, however, I feel like it all depends on the book and writing.

    I have come across some YA books where it has the chosen one, love triangle, and insta-love all in one book and I DNFed immediately. It didn’t work well at all.

    The one trope that I can never stray away from is the “bad-boy” trope, I’m such a sucker for it.

    Awesome discussion!!!

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    1. Thanks Gretchen. Yeah I think part of it must depend on what kind of mood you’re in when you start a book. I’ve only read one book that had more than one cliche in, I didn’t DNF it because it was a review book but I did not enjoy it at all! Good tropes are there to add to the plot aren’t they. They’re in the background to the overall plot and add to the character development. Unfortunately you tend to find more of the bad ones that seem to be all the book is about. The author and the writing is a big part I agree.
      Ohh that sounds like a book I’d avoid as well. One of those is bad enough but all three? No thanks.
      Ha, yeah I understand that! πŸ˜€
      Thanks so much Gretchen. πŸ™‚ ❀

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    1. Well that’s good, I guess there’s never going to be a book that you don’t pick up because it has a trope you hate in it. πŸ™‚
      Yeah that love square was a major no-no for me as well. And actually all the other tropes Stealing Snow had because it seemed like there were many. πŸ™‚

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  14. Great post Beth, and I agree – love triangles are the worst! I don’t intentionally avoid books that have them, but whenever I’m reading one I always google search who the main character will end up with, because shipping one pair and not knowing if that will be the end ship is too stressful! xD
    Also, the ‘Chosen One’ trope, I’ve noticed, has been getting a lot of hate from booknerds lately. Personally, I kind of like it. I mean, if there’s nothing special about the main character, then what makes them interesting? If it’s done well, not being the Chosen One can be great and refreshing, but a lot of the time those characters just seem flat. If there’s nothing different about them – often resulting in them becoming the dreaded passive protagonist – then they may as well be a background character; and that’s about as memorable as they are. On the flipside of this, sometimes the Chosen One thing is overdone – sometimes you do get a seriously OP, special snowflake character, exactly the same as every other ‘Chosen One’ you’ve ever seen, and that can get tiring. So I guess what I’m saying is that I see where you’re coming from, but I think it’s important for the main character to stand out from the rest (which can be successfully done through other methods than the ‘Chosen One’, I know).
    I’m pretty sure I’ve already recommended these books to you about a million times, but I’ll say it once more: if you want to see some tropes getting kicked in the face, please read Magisterium \(^.^)/

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    1. Thanks so much Addilyn. Yeah although there have been a few that have been well written for the most part love triangles have always been, and will always be, a trope that I just don’t enjoy. Oh but for you find that spoils the ending for you in a way? I’d rather be surprised even if I do end up shipping the wrong couple. I like to make it a game of guessing who the heroine will actually end up with! πŸ˜€
      I guess I see where you’re coming from but at the same time I think I like stories where it could be anyone who ends up being the main character. That they may not be special but they’re the only ones who step up and do what needs to be done and that’s what makes them special you know? I agree I’ve read books where that trope has been done well and I’ve really enjoyed them but they seem to be few and far between. I think for this trope I was thinking more of the Special Snowflake Character rather than just the plain Chosen One. I agree the main character needs to stand out, the whole point of having a main character but sometimes it’s nice to see some variety, and instead of Chosen Ones there are other people who step up to the spotlight.
      I’ll add it to my to-read list then, and try and get around to it as soon as possible for you! ❀ πŸ˜€

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      1. Yeah, it does spoil the ending a little, but I’m just sick of becoming really invested in a pairing only for it to not work out – and even when it does work out, it’s not very satisfying anyway since we spent half of the series focusing on forced tension due to her relationship with the other guy.
        Yeah, sometimes that does work, but I still prefer it when the protagonist stands out at least a little. Special snowflake characters are a pain, but I find characters who aren’t special at ALL just a little boring.
        Awesome! I know how long it can take to get around to something on the tbr list, but please let me know as soon as you read it! ❀

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      2. Yeah I get what you mean, do you find you avoid love triangles in that case. So you don’t have to waste all that time invested in the wrong couple or reading all the tension? I can’t imagine it makes books that include them enjoyable to read.
        I suppose that a good point to make, so you want characters that are a little bit special without being too special. I get what you mean by that!
        I will do, and I’ll try and get around to it a little sooner given I know you love the series so much! πŸ˜€ <33

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      3. I don’t really avoid them, but I don’t like them either. The thing is, if I’m going to read a book, it’s usually either because it sounds interesting or it was recommended by a friend – and both of those things have nothing to do with if there’s a love triangle in it. So, whether it has a love triangle isn’t going to convince me one way or the other when it comes to reading it, I guess.
        Yeah, pretty much ^.^
        Haha well I do talk about it pretty much nonstop ^^”

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      4. Well that’s good to hear, and a good way of looking at it as well. I used to avoid books that had love triangles in them but realised I was potentially missing out on great stories so stopped doing that, and yeah I’m glad I did. πŸ™‚
        Just shows how much you love the series. I’m the same with my favourites! πŸ˜€

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  15. Hm, I’ve never really minded tropes too much to be honest. I know there are a lot of people who won’t read certain books because of tropes, but I’ve never know why? I don’t think there’s such thing as a truly original book in the first place, so it doesn’t really matter to me whether one is or not; I’ve enjoyed plenty of cliche books, movies, or shows just because they’re fun! Really, depending on how the trope is used, I really don’t care what tropes are used. There’s an exception to everything for me personally.

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    1. I used to be one of the people who avoided books if they had a trope I hated in them (love triangles) but yeah now I’ve kind of realised I was potentially missing out on some great books by doing that and I don’t anymore. Still that doesn’t really change the fact that I prefer books without love triangles in.
      I think that’s a good way to look at things. So I guess for you it comes down to how well a trope is written more than the existence of tropes in books then? (Then again I guess how well a book is written is something we all look for).
      Also for some reason I tend to enjoy cliche films, I wonder why it’s not the same with books? :/

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  16. I love your addition about the Chosen One. It comes up too much, and I feel like as soon as it is mentioned it makes the character seem less special and too similar to every other YA protagonist. I love the characters like Katniss who stepped forward to help out of genuine passion and care and love, and wasn’t chosen for the job.

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    1. Yeah I was talking with a friend about that trope the other day and I kind of felt the need to include it in this discussion because of the conversation we had. I’ve definitely seen more of it recently and yeah I’d love to see more characters like Katniss. She wasn’t even ‘chosen’ for the Hunger Games in the first place. Instead she stepped forwards to save her sister and it gave us another angle to explore her character from.

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